No center's game measures up to Jabbar imo. Some centers had peak years or a five year run that could be argued matched Jabbars. Maybe. But nobody did it better for longer. Nobody. At that popsition.
Note: I'm not even a Jabbar fan, but can't argue with greatness.
I don't know who this jlauber clown is, but he has way too much time on his hands, and I think it's time he moved out of his mother's basement.
Abdul-Jabbar
NBA seasons played: 20
Scoring titles: 2
Rebounding titles: 1
All-Star teams: 19
All-NBA First-Team: 10
All-NBA Second-Team: 5
All-NBA Defensive First-Team: 5
All-NBA Defensive Second-Team: 6
NBA titles: 6
NBA MVP Awards: 6
NBA Finals MVP Awards: 2
Malone
NBA seasons played: 19
Scoring titles: 0
Rebounding titles: 6
All-Star teams: 13
All-NBA First-Team: 4
All-NBA Second-Team: 4
All-NBA Defensive First-Team: 1
All-NBA Defensive Second-Team: 1
NBA titles: 1
NBA MVP Awards: 3
NBA Finals MVP Awards: 1
H2H means very little, for all the reasons that Dingleberry himself pointed out in his "article" -- namely that the teams were often not evenly matched (due to injury to key personnel), and that Malone and Abdul-Jabbar often didn't guard each other -- which doesn't mean all that much anyway if you look at the complete game. So, he keeps on saying in post after post that "Moses outscored Kareem, Moses outscored Kareem!" Since when is that the best indication of domination? Alex English outscored a ton of great players in his NBA tenure. Do did Dominique Wilkins. How many rings do those guys have?
The thing is, Malone and Abdul-Jabbar all played similar opponents, something Dinglefuck doesn't even mention or seem to think is even slightly important. THAT is how you compare numbers; the NBA isn't comprised of two teams. Most importantly, this asshole is basing most of his theory of Malone "domination" on seven playoff games, four of which came in one single season. SEVEN playoff games between these guys' respective teams in about 13 common NBA seasons. How in the Sam Fuck can anyone draw ANY kind of conclusion based on that? Well, apparently this dipshit can, and you're swallowing all of it.
There is no doubt that Malone was a more physical player and a much better rebounder, particularly on the offensive glass because of his bulk, and because Abdul-Jabbar was more of a perimeter shooter. Yet, despite that, Malone only made the NBA All-Defensive First or Second team a total of two times. TWO TIMES in 19 seasons. Abdul-Jabbar made the team 11 times in almost the same number of years. ELEVEN TIMES. You simply can't get around that fact.
No matter how you slice it, Abdul-Jabbar had a more complete game, and it's not even close. Malone was a great scorer, but Abdul-Jabbar scored WAY more -- over 9,000 points more, in about the same number of years, and he averaged 4 points more per game than Malone. Malone averaged 12.2 boards per game, Abdul-Jabbar averaged 11.2 -- ONE fewer, despite not being known for rebounding (even though he's third in total rebounds, all-time, and 25th all-time in RPG). Abdul-Jabbar had far more than twice as many assists as Malone, and he also had twice as many blocks.
And you really think the 1983 season -- ONE season -- means that Abdul-Jabbar deserves some sort of "huge asterisk" next to his name? Really?
Are you still pissed off that Lew Alcindor went to UCLA, and that his Bruins owned USC?
Kareem greatest center of all time. Malone comes in at #6
answer #1: It didnt happen to Jordan (in the Finals). This is a Goat conversation so the bar is incredibly high.
Answer #2: Not beat by just a better team, but also outplayed by the same position (center)
"Fo, fo, fo."
Moses Malone when asked about the playoffs in '83. Moses was one of my all time favorites. Beast.
Best. Offensive. Rebounder. Ever. Course,, half of those were off on his misses, but still...
I don't know who this jlauber clown is, but he has way too much time on his hands, and I think it's time he moved out of his mother's basement.
Abdul-Jabbar
NBA seasons played: 20
Scoring titles: 2
Rebounding titles: 1
All-Star teams: 19
All-NBA First-Team: 10
All-NBA Second-Team: 5
All-NBA Defensive First-Team: 5
All-NBA Defensive Second-Team: 6
NBA titles: 6
NBA MVP Awards: 6
NBA Finals MVP Awards: 2
Malone
NBA seasons played: 19
Scoring titles: 0
Rebounding titles: 6
All-Star teams: 13
All-NBA First-Team: 4
All-NBA Second-Team: 4
All-NBA Defensive First-Team: 1
All-NBA Defensive Second-Team: 1
NBA titles: 1
NBA MVP Awards: 3
NBA Finals MVP Awards: 1
H2H means very little, for all the reasons that Dingleberry himself pointed out in his "article" -- namely that the teams were often not evenly matched (due to injury to key personnel), and that Malone and Abdul-Jabbar often didn't guard each other -- which doesn't mean all that much anyway if you look at the complete game. So, he keeps on saying in post after post that "Moses outscored Kareem, Moses outscored Kareem!" Since when is that the best indication of domination? Alex English outscored a ton of great players in his NBA tenure. Do did Dominique Wilkins. How many rings do those guys have?
The thing is, Malone and Abdul-Jabbar all played similar opponents, something Dinglefuck doesn't even mention or seem to think is even slightly important. THAT is how you compare numbers; the NBA isn't comprised of two teams. Most importantly, this asshole is basing most of his theory of Malone "domination" on seven playoff games, four of which came in one single season. SEVEN playoff games between these guys' respective teams in about 13 common NBA seasons. How in the Sam Fuck can anyone draw ANY kind of conclusion based on that? Well, apparently this dipshit can, and you're swallowing all of it.
There is no doubt that Malone was a more physical player and a much better rebounder, particularly on the offensive glass because of his bulk, and because Abdul-Jabbar was more of a perimeter shooter. Yet, despite that, Malone only made the NBA All-Defensive First or Second team a total of two times. TWO TIMES in 19 seasons. Abdul-Jabbar made the team 11 times in almost the same number of years. ELEVEN TIMES. You simply can't get around that fact.
No matter how you slice it, Abdul-Jabbar had a more complete game, and it's not even close. Malone was a great scorer, but Abdul-Jabbar scored WAY more -- over 9,000 points more, in about the same number of years, and he averaged 4 points more per game than Malone. Malone averaged 12.2 boards per game, Abdul-Jabbar averaged 11.2 -- ONE fewer, despite not being known for rebounding (even though he's third in total rebounds, all-time, and 25th all-time in RPG). Abdul-Jabbar had far more than twice as many assists as Malone, and he also had twice as many blocks.
And you really think the 1983 season -- ONE season -- means that Abdul-Jabbar deserves some sort of "huge asterisk" next to his name? Really?
Are you still pissed off that Lew Alcindor went to UCLA, and that his Bruins owned USC?
Kryptonite?
Are you jlauber?