This is interesting. you have material explaining this history & evolution of defense as your suggesting? not being a smart ass, truly curious.
I played in 80’s and topped out in HS Here in SoCal.
I did play on D & my teams were league & CIF champions. decent size school. not MD or Servite. A decent sized step below Bishop Amat. Would love to say I was a safety but that would be a lie. I was a corner.
now back to our discussion. Our D was more read & react As you term it.
Idk i watch a lot of FB and R&R seems to still be a big part of the game. At least in base D for Sure. But on stunts and especially blitz’s there is a lot of “rotations” or adjustments. I get that. And no I know very little on RPO’s nor am I paid to stop it
Seems like very few have figured it out except when you have a great DL Blowing things up.
If your saying the best way to defend it is what bama did in the video above yeah Im very confused. Move other LBers over 5-8 yards to where MLB just was and move the MLB up to the LOS after snap hoping QB keeps it. maybe this is why D’s can’t stop anymore. Its more a “guessing” game??and yes the fact that this is a BAMA defense is not lost on me. The perennial Best in class.
Mean Joe Green: 'undisciplined' player will not line up head-on or read and react as coached. Insists on lining up in (controlling) the gap and penetrating the backfield.
Effects: lives in the backfield, demands double teams, ties up an extra blocker which protects undersized linebackers and safeties. Offense disrupted. 10 Pro Bowls. HOF.
Strategy: ALL players should control gaps, enter the backfield, and disrupt blocking/offense.
Innovation: Stunt 4-3 Front
Chuck Noll, Bud Grant, and George Perles create Stunt 4-3 with offset (Over, Under) alignments and stunts to control gaps, penetrate the backfield, and disrupt offense.
NOT read and react.
Effects: "Steel Curtain" = all gaps controlled, offenses disrupted, etc.
Four Super Bowl victories in six years.
Main Effect: all modern defenses attack LOS with offset alignments, constant stunting and blitzing to control gaps, penetrate the backfield and disrupt the offense.
@Onikoroshi very interesting & informative post. I would say its Maybe most informative FB post I’ve ever read here. Ive learned something. Pretty sure LOL. Hope its not all BS!! Doesn’t seem to Be...
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I agree SC. Not sure Im agreeing with BAMA’s approach on that play. But Sabans a FB legend and well Im not.
@Onikoroshi and what does all of that have to do with the video here? And I think it was Woody Woodinhofer who came up with the Stealers steal curtain defense. sc
Expansion teams and the salary cap forced defenses to move beyond "read and react" where superior talent would stand and deliver or otherwise wait in position to get blocked.
College ball came around to one gap play in the 80s after Perles' Michigan State team ran rough shod over the Big 2, little eight, beat six ranked teams and USC twice in 1987.
FYI: Nick Saban was the defensive coordinator for Perles in '87.
Dude, please stop. I’m actually starting to fell sorry for you now.
Look, you know so much more than any of us amateurs about football,,, you’re very special. We’re very lucky to have you and your- never played a down of football in your life-expertise. Bless your heart 😂
@Pasadena Trojan LMAO,,, you just can’t help yourself, can you? You’re being exposed here. You never played at LBer, have you. Oh that’s right, you’ve made a grand total of zero tackles your entire life. 😂
But........QB clearly wasnt running here???? That’s what we’re talking about no. The midget QB is gonna run it straight into the LOS. did he do that a lot last night?? I don’t think so. (That is how #10 defended the original play we were discussing)
Clear he was Gonna pass it to the TE After the fake handoff.
But of course you know the truth, since your In the huddle And all....unlike the rest of us.
Lolol nonsense. These so called experts act like they are Saban and his DC himself. Laughable actually.
So Saban Jr and Saban Jr Jr are saying that #8 moved from middle of field into the LOS & a lane/gap over (impacts pursuit angles and field coverage substantially) and #10 went 2 gaps over and into LOS (also impacting pursuit ability & angles) when ball was snapped ALL for a QB that didn’t run an RPO that game???? (at least I didnt see one & I watched most of game) That’s the truth per the pseudo BAMA coaching staff weighing in here????? Ok. Got it. smh
#10 didn't overpursue. His first responsibility was "outside contain", hence his positioning.. 2nd of all......Georgia created a"6 blocker vs 5 defender" advantage. 3rdly, the other linebacker, #8, was overwhelmed 4-to-1, covering 2-gaps (he chose the wrong one) at the point of attack. This is due to 1) having the right play/formation vs this particular defensive set, 2) #31 gets double-teamed at the LOS allowing himself to get "hooked" by the Left OT and TE and taken out of the play, and 3) having the rest of the big strong, well coached 0-linemen stay low and drive down right on the line of scrimmage.
IF #8 was supposed to cover middle after #10 vacated it well then he screwed the pooch bigtime. Moved way too far up into LOS to cover “either/any gap” & then was blocked by his own guy & couldn’t move laterally.
It was either Poor defensive scheme vs fortunate offensive play calling or poor defensive execution...a few choices there
every time I watch that video it doesn't make any sense to me what Saben is thinking.
Only thing that makes sense is that one or both of the kids screwed up.
I didn't play linebacker. So maybe I am missing something. sc
This is interesting. you have material explaining this history & evolution of defense as your suggesting? not being a smart ass, truly curious.
I played in 80’s and topped out in HS Here in SoCal.
I did play on D & my teams were league & CIF champions. decent size school. not MD or Servite. A decent sized step below Bishop Amat. Would love to say I was a safety but that would be a lie. I was a corner.
now back to our discussion. Our D was more read & react As you term it.
Idk i watch a lot of FB and R&R seems to still be a big part of the game. At least in base D for Sure. But on stunts and especially blitz’s there is a lot of “rotations” or adjustments. I get that. And no I know very little on RPO’s nor am I paid to stop it
Seems like very few have figured it out except when you have a great DL Blowing things up.
If your saying the best way to defend it is what bama did in the video above yeah Im very confused. Move other LBers over 5-8 yards to where MLB just was and move the MLB up to the LOS after snap hoping QB keeps it. maybe this is why D’s can’t stop anymore. Its more a “guessing” game?? and yes the fact that this is a BAMA defense is not lost on me. The perennial Best in class.
@Pasadena Trojan How very 1970's of you.
Expansion teams and the salary cap forced defenses to move beyond "read and react" where superior talent would stand and deliver or otherwise wait in position to get blocked.
College ball came around to one gap play in the 80s after Perles' Michigan State team ran rough shod over the Big 2, little eight, beat six ranked teams and USC twice in 1987.
FYI: Nick Saban was the defensive coordinator for Perles in '87.
Small world coaching is.
DEFLECTION. Again. yes I know when you don’t have the facts on your side all you can do is just argue. Got it.
I’ll stop when I damn well please. don’t ever forget that Bradley.
D E F L E C T I O N much???
show me the Great LBer play in that vid
Dude, please stop. I’m actually starting to fell sorry for you now.
Look, you know so much more than any of us amateurs about football,,, you’re very special. We’re very lucky to have you and your- never played a down of football in your life-expertise. Bless your heart 😂
I have the truth on my side
here it is
show me how #10 (and #8 fwiw) just stuffed this play
awesome work by LBers
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Uh, Georgia's last offensive TD, Bennett to Bowers, was clearly an RPO play.
Of course, when he did hand off the ball earlier in the game,
how would YOU ever know if an RPO had been called in the huddle?
Lolol nonsense. These so called experts act like they are Saban and his DC himself. Laughable actually.
So Saban Jr and Saban Jr Jr are saying that #8 moved from middle of field into the LOS & a lane/gap over (impacts pursuit angles and field coverage substantially) and #10 went 2 gaps over and into LOS (also impacting pursuit ability & angles) when ball was snapped ALL for a QB that didn’t run an RPO that game???? (at least I didnt see one & I watched most of game) That’s the truth per the pseudo BAMA coaching staff weighing in here????? Ok. Got it. smh
#10 didn't overpursue. His first responsibility was "outside contain", hence his positioning.. 2nd of all......Georgia created a"6 blocker vs 5 defender" advantage. 3rdly, the other linebacker, #8, was overwhelmed 4-to-1, covering 2-gaps (he chose the wrong one) at the point of attack. This is due to 1) having the right play/formation vs this particular defensive set, 2) #31 gets double-teamed at the LOS allowing himself to get "hooked" by the Left OT and TE and taken out of the play, and 3) having the rest of the big strong, well coached 0-linemen stay low and drive down right on the line of scrimmage.
IF #8 was supposed to cover middle after #10 vacated it well then he screwed the pooch bigtime. Moved way too far up into LOS to cover “either/any gap” & then was blocked by his own guy & couldn’t move laterally.
It was either Poor defensive scheme vs fortunate offensive play calling or poor defensive execution...a few choices there
again. Who‘s assigned to the TB Here????
Maybe True.
then it was the perfect call For Dawgs.
That's what you do when your assignment is the quarterback, genius.
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DC
Looks like Tarzan plays like Bonzo
De La Salle kid.